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Nine inch nails: the hidden side of a rock legend

By Browne, Nichola and Catherine Yate for Kerrang! on April 14, 2007

On a cold Wednesday night at Londonā€™s Brixton Academy, there are at least 4,000 people frantically going apeshit under a sense-shredding assault of strobes and dry ice. The reason? Nine Inch Nails are onstage. And, that, to seasoned NIN fans is the equivalent of the Second Coming of Christ for Christians.

So all this isnā€™t much of a surprise when you consider that it's the first of four dates at the venue on a sold-out UK tour that by its end, will see them play to roughly 10 times that number. More surprising, however, is the fact that among the shaking throng, youā€™ll find the Lostprophets and assorted members of Deftones, all wearing fan-boy faces. Deftones frontman Chino Moreno, in particular, is in superfan mode, enthusing to anyone within earshot about tracks aired tonight from his favourite NIN records. But even more than that, though, is the sight of Trent Reznor himself ā€“ a man for whom misery and self-hate have been creative staples long before emo ever uttered a whimper, and a man currently having the time of his life as he tears through the set, jumping up and down, hurling mic stands this way and that, and, Jesus, did he just crack a joke?

Itā€™s a joy to behold, not just because itā€™s proof an artist 18 years into his career and 41 years old can still rip it up with a vitality that would put those half his age to shame, but because Reznor is about to return to deliver ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ ā€“ the best thing heā€™s done in years. And heā€™s excited.

This is far bigger news than it might first appear. At a time where you can buy Fall Out Boy belts and HIM wallets in high street stores, NIN ā€“ a band that can also count album sales in the millions ā€“ are nowhere to be seen. Yet among bands and peers ā€“ not to mention an obsessively devoted fan-base that has followed Reznorā€™s every move since the release of NINā€™s 1989 debut, ā€˜Pretty Hate Machineā€™ ā€“ itā€™s a different story. Though heā€™d kill you before admitting it, Marilyn Manson owes his career to him. Good Charlotte donā€™t, but Benji Madden sports a ā€˜NINā€™ sticker on his guitar, and if you ask pop-punk newcomers Madina Lake about Reznor, prepare to have them bend your ear for some serious hero worship. In fact, youā€™d be hard pushed to find a star inhabiting the rock world who wonā€™t admit to being influenced by Reznor in some way or another. For the man himself, the reason for all this respect and adulation is a simple and unglamorous one.

ā€œIn my darkest hours when I grew to hate myself through addiction and chemical whatevers in me,ā€ admits Reznor, ā€œI always cared about the music higher than anything else.ā€

If the exuberance of his recent live shows and the fact that ā€˜Year Zeroā€™, NINā€™s fifth full-length album, is the first to shift from the personal to more political leanings in lyrical content, suggest a happier mind-set these days, itā€™s not something thatā€™s immediately evident from a face-to-face meeting with Reznor. Words often used to describe the frontman include intimidating, serious and unnerving, and sat on an expansive, purple sofa in a room at Londonā€™s swanky Metropolitan hotel, thumb and forefinger pressed against his forehead in permanent think mode, the black-clad Reznor cuts an imposing figure.

On the table in front of him are several cups of herbal tea with a side order of honey to soothe an ongoing throat problem that resulted in the cancellation [postponement! ā€“TNH] of a show in Birmingham on March 4. He offers a quiet ā€˜hiā€™ as a greeting, and he waves away any questions about the state of his voice with a dealing-with-it shrug.

Interviews with Reznor are hard to come by; thereā€™s been little promotion on this tour and the 45 minute audience he grants with K! is the longest interview heā€™s done so far. He speaks in a slow, considered monotone, punctuated by long pauses. His closely-cropped hair and long face give him a stern demeanour, although he comes across as reserved and pensive rather than aloof and arrogant. And while you sense that interviews arenā€™t his favourite pastime, heā€™s accommodating and thereā€™s a welcome self-deprecating humour that he lets out occasionally ā€“ ā€œMy tea suppliers,ā€ he announces with mock ceremony as a label minion clunks down another cup beside him.

ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ began life as ideas knocked out on a laptop in 2005 during spare moments on the 18-month promotional tour for ā€˜With Teethā€™ ā€“ the long-delayed follow-up to 1999ā€™s ā€˜The Fragileā€™ and his first sober after a long catalogue of drink and drug problems. Partly, as Reznor explains, because he found a way to ā€œmake it funā€ on tour, partly because it passed the time, and because it kept him sane, too.

The biggest reason, however, was that he knew he finally had the confidence to make the record he wanted. Ask him what he thinks of ā€˜With Teethā€™ now and heā€™ll describe it as ā€œcautiousā€, adding that it wouldnā€™t be his ā€œfavourite NIN record todayā€.

ā€œLooking back, I can see I wasnā€™t completely sure of myself,ā€ he confesses. ā€œI got sober six years ago in June, and I took a few of those years just trying to stay alive and feel comfortable in my own skin before I jumped back into work to possibly fail.ā€

ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ is a different place for sure. For one itā€™s the most musically ambitions NIN have ever sounded. For another, its fiendishly involved concept is possibly the nerdiest NIN have ever been.

ā€œIā€™m a nerd,ā€ Reznor states, breaking into a grin. ā€œIā€™m with you on that.ā€

Trent Reznor was born on May 17, 1965, which puts him one month shy of his 42nd birthday. He spent his 40th in court ā€“ ā€œbeing sued by my lying prick ex-manager,ā€ he says, flatly. ā€œI wonā€. That the past year has seen more activity from him since the start of his career is less of a surprise than the fact heā€™s here at all. Certainly, were you a betting man, you wouldnā€™t have put your money on Trent Reznor being alt-rockā€™s last man standing. When 1994ā€™s ā€˜The Downward Spiralā€™ was shifting two million units and counting, he disappeared at the height of his fame for four years. When he resurfaced with ā€˜The Fragileā€™ in 1999, the gap was six years.

ā€œWhen you get some fame, youā€™d be surprised at how you as a person changes,ā€ he explains. ā€œWith the whirlwind of stuff that comes at you, itā€™s often difficult not to become that guy you were just laughing at.ā€

Can you still relate to a ā€˜Pretty Hate Machineā€™-era Trent? Or an instrument-smashing ā€˜Downward Spiralā€™ Trent?

ā€œTheyā€™re all friends,ā€ Reznor considers. ā€œItā€™s not all me in those people but I know why I did those things at the time. They were done with the right intentions, and obviously there have been some missteps, but you live and learn.ā€

Though Reznor writes, records ā€“ and with the occasional collaborative exception ā€“ provides the sole creative force behind the music, when it comes to touring, NIN have always functioned as a live unit. The current line-up, which heā€™s played with for two years ā€“ guitarist Aaron North, bassist Jeordie White, drummer Josh Freese and keyboardist Alessandro Cortini ā€“ is also the longest standing, and in Reznorā€™s eyes, the best heā€™s had.

ā€œBut we havenā€™t explored actually writing music together,ā€ Reznor explains. ā€œIā€™m open to it, but Iā€™ve never had success doing it. So now Iā€™m just like, ā€˜letā€™s see what happensā€™.ā€

Ask him how close he is to the other members, whether he socialises outside of gig hours and heā€™ll say yes, a bit of that goes on. Before admitting that heā€™s certainly not rockā€™s resident party animal.

ā€œI donā€™t really ā€˜hang outā€™ at all,ā€ he says. ā€œBut itā€™s not like we arenā€™t friends.ā€

The photo shoot the following day seems to attest this. With the whole band in one place together, the atmosphere seems relaxed and natural. There might not be any ostentatious displays of camaraderie, but thereā€™s clearly enough rapport between them that allows for some joking around, as Reznor and White play-hug in-between shots.

Ask North about Reznor and heā€™ll tell you that heā€™s not ā€œsome kind of FĆ¼hrer-esque control freak dudeā€, adding that in two years, he and the frontman have ā€œscreamed at each otherā€ just once (although he declines the offer to share what they were fighting about).

In interviews in the past, Reznor has made no secret of how he is determined to keep himself ā€“ the man ā€“ out of the NIN spotlight as much as possible. And it has been a wish that most journalists have granted, possibly due to the fact that he is such a formidable, stern presence in the flesh, or perhaps because no one has dared play the low-brow goof in front of such a smart and articulate artist. K!, however, decided that it was about time that the world got to know some things about Trent Reznor ā€“ the man. And hereā€™s what Reznor gave usā€¦

Describe yourself in four words. ā€œOh for fuckā€™s sake. Thatā€™s my four words there.ā€

Whatā€™s your best quality? ā€œDetermination.ā€

And your worst? ā€œI tend to focus on one thing and let other things slip away.ā€

People suggest youā€™re a very intimidating, scary person. Would you say thatā€™s an accurate observation? ā€œItā€™s weird for me to hear that because I donā€™t see myself as that. A lot of times when Iā€™m in a situation where Iā€™m being around other people, I can mistake them as being standoffish, and later I realise that they might be intimidated. But I donā€™t see myself that way.ā€

So youā€™re quite a warm, friendly person, then? ā€œNo, quite not! Not that either.ā€

Why do you think people get you so wrong? ā€œI donā€™t know. Maybe itā€™s the music a bit ā€“ itā€™s not necessarily happy songs and I do take my work very seriously. I try to keep my personality out of headlines and thereā€™s a reason for that. I want it to be about the music and Nine Inch Nails and not about me the personality.ā€

Whatā€™s the most annoying untruth youā€™ve read about yourself? ā€œThere was a time when I used to pay a lot of attention to things and Iā€™d get upset when Iā€™d hear that Iā€™m really depressed or Iā€™m a vampire or I never laugh, that kind of thing. But I donā€™t let that come out in the music too much. As far as irritating untruthsā€¦ Anything thatā€™s ever come out of Courtney Loveā€™s fat, liposuctioned mouth or thatā€™s in Marilyn Mansonā€™s fictional book. Those are things that have irritated me because theyā€™re absolutely, patently untrue.ā€

So you and Courtney arenā€™t pals? ā€œI make a point not to ever speak her name, but somehow it just crossed my mind. I saw a recent photo of some fat lady that looked like her and there was her recent transformationā€¦ā€

How do you relax when youā€™re not working? ā€œIā€™m never not working! Actually, I do enjoy reading and I enjoy mountain-biking.ā€

Are you quite a fit person? ā€œUm, yeah, pretty much.ā€

Whatā€™s the last book you read? ā€œIt was a book called ā€˜The Roadā€™. I forget who the author is [Cormac McCarthy], but it was a post-apocalyptic, futuristic tale. You know, cheery light reading!ā€

What was the last thing that made you really laugh? ā€œReally laugh? We went to the torture museum in Amsterdam recently and somebody farted in the middle of a presentation. I probably laughed for five whole minutes about that! There was a bunch of us laughing. It was one of those contagious, inappropriate moments.ā€

Can you cook? ā€œNot very well, no. Itā€™s on my list of things to get better at.ā€

If I was coming round to your house for dinner, what would you cook me? ā€œI would probably suggest a take-out. But it would depend on if Iā€™m trying to impress you or not.ā€

Say you are really trying to impress me? ā€œIf I were trying to impress you, I would call a friend of mine whose mother is an excellent chef, and Iā€™d have her come over and cook. And I may even bullshit you into letting you think that I cooked it. Depending on how much Iā€™m trying to impress youā€¦ā€

Does the whole notion of a celebrity lifestyle still turn you off? ā€œYeah. Life in front of the cameras has no appeal to me whatsoever. I can understand that if your career is one that relies on that, if youā€™re an actor, or a type of actor I should say, or a type of ā€˜musicianā€™ ā€“ that ego needs to be fuelled by thinking that thatā€™s the way they want to portray themselves. But I have no personal interest in that. It plays into everything thatā€™s wrong with music and art right now.ā€

So you donā€™t go to celebrity parties? ā€œNo, I hate that kind of shit.ā€

How do you feel about getting old? ā€œThatā€™s a good question. Itā€™s surprising. You donā€™t have any choice in the matter, Iā€™ve discovered, and Iā€™m trying to be honest with myself as I can be ā€“ trying to reassess what matters to me and what makes me happy as an artist. Itā€™s weird because I woke up one day and I was several years older than I thought I was and it was like, ā€˜How did that happen?ā€™ But then maturity begins to creep inā€¦ Iā€™m feeling at peace with a number of things that I wasnā€™t in the past.ā€

Is staying sober still a struggle for you? ā€œItā€™s nothing that I let my guard down about. Iā€™ve gone to great lengths to ensure that the place Iā€™m at isā€¦ Iā€™ve got safety nets around me if necessary. But I do feel that Iā€™ve made my peace with accepting thatā€™s what I am and I donā€™t go through life wishing I could do things that I canā€™t do. I really donā€™t. I feel what Iā€™ve got in sobriety is the ability to think again, and make music, and feel good about myself and about making music. I could never have pulled off a project like ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ fucked up.

So itā€™s the music that keeps you strong? ā€œItā€™s one of the many things. Liking myself again is a huge thing because Iā€™d hated myself and Iā€™d hated what Iā€™d become. And I surprised myself that I could get myself in such a bad place.ā€

Are you single? ā€œUm, no.ā€

Can you see yourself married with kids in the future? ā€œYes.ā€

In the near future? ā€œPerhaps.ā€

What one thing would you really like Nine Inch Nails fans to know about you? ā€œThereā€™s not really anything. With Nine Inch Nails, Iā€™ve dedicated a huge chunk of my life and it really is the thing I care most about, aside from being alive and treating people properly. I feel like Iā€™m doing it for the right reasons and I still approach it by trying to be as honest with myself as I can be and make music thatā€™s out there to resonate and matter and be something you can make a part of yourself for the right reasons. Itā€™s not to be rich or famous or follow trends.ā€

What do you think youā€™ll do when NIN comes to an end? ā€œNine Inch Nails has a lifespan thatā€™s ticking. If Iā€™m fortunate enough to be in a position to do what I want to do, then Iā€™ll always be making some kind of music. Iā€™d like to branch off into some other fields of entertainment in terms of writing things.ā€

Like films? ā€œPerhaps. Iā€™ve always toyed with the idea of directing things or writing screenplays. With ā€˜Year Zeroā€™, that may come into reality or it may not. And thatā€™s exciting for me. Itā€™s more than just a record.ā€

Are you happy? ā€œYeah. Generally, I feel very, very fortunate. Youā€™re wanting to speak to me, people want to show up for shows and people appreciate what I do. And I enjoy what Iā€™m doing. Itā€™s taken me a long time to get to that place.ā€

But youā€™re there. ā€œIā€™m here at the moment. And thereā€™re still places Iā€™d like to go, but Iā€™m fucking a lot further along than I was a few years ago.ā€

What would you like on your gravestone ā€“ ā€˜Here lies Trent Reznor, heā€¦ā€™? ā€œHe did what he thought was the right thing to do and now heā€™s dead.ā€

There you have it: Trent Reznor sharing a few intimate details about Trent Reznor. Believe what you like about him, but let this be one of them ā€“ heā€™s a good sport. And yes, heā€™s super-serious, immaculately professional and as sharp as a razor, but you know those rumours he was talking about ā€“ the ones saying he never laughs? Bullshit. He does, you just have to ask the right questionsā€¦

NINā€™s new album ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ is out on April 16 via Interscope.

(Sidebar: ā€œA Blufferā€™s Guide To ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ā€)

What is Year Zero? Itā€™s the title of the fifth studio full-length album from Nine Inch Nails, the follow-up to 2005ā€™s ā€˜With Teethā€™, and itā€™s a concept record.

A concept album? Did he catch that bug from MCR? ā€œWellā€¦,ā€ says Reznor, ā€œIt is unfortunate that My Chemical Romance have done anything. I heard they made a concept record and thatā€™s as far as my interest has gone. So whatever.ā€ Thatā€™s a ā€˜noā€™, then.

Will the concept melt my brain? Probably. Itā€™s an elaborate multimedia, conspiracy theory web-trail of which the album is but a part. It began with a NIN tour T-shirt bearing a URL ā€“ iamtryingtobelieve.com ā€“ that took fans to a site concerning a ā€˜mind controlā€™ drug, Parepin. And if you go to fan checkpoint echoingthesound.com [.org, morons! ā€“TNH], youā€™ll discover that ā€˜Year Zeroā€™ is a dystopian vision of the future ā€“ 2022 to be exact ā€“ depicting an Orwellian society in the throes of extinction. Crikey.

Complicated much, then? What did you expect? According to Reznor, itā€™s ā€œthe most elaborate album cover in the worldā€. Why? Because the websites, the fan forums, the coded merchandise, are all part of the ā€˜artworkā€™. And by reading this, youā€™re contributing to it, too.

So, is an anorak mandatory? An anorak is strictly optional. ā€œI wanted something the insane, superfan couldnā€™t believe how involved it was,ā€ explains Reznor. ā€œBut thereā€™s an entry point for the ā€˜casualā€™ person too.ā€ In other words, you can just enjoy the music, if youā€™re not arsed to get too involved.

Transcribed by Botley, Posted by JessicaSarahS

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